“I tell you again, it is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of Heaven.” -Christ
Charlie “Empathy is Evil” Kirk?
Yes. Remember, they worship Supply Side Jesus, not the one described in the Bible.
Angry Jesus. He is out beating up the gays right now.
“13th Disciple” is code for “2nd Judas”
Charlie would be wrestling that guy for the bag of silver coins.
I grew up religious and don’t think I’d heard that. Is it a Catholic thing?
Republicans pretending to be “Christians” never ceases to amuse
Much like Judas.
Have these people just never actually read the Bible, or something?
No but they thump it all the time
Acquaintance from high school married a preacher man, “met” him on FaceBook. Very intelligent and well educated man. His doctorate in divinity is real, he worked for it, absolute expert. His arguments were well crafted and we loved poking each other. Plus, we were both hot pepper fanatics and growers. :)
Here’s the point: That’s the only Christian I’ve met in life that could actually debate Biblical views. I can turn most of them into a raging, spitting, cursing mess with a dozen questions, and they almost never engage for the whole dozen.
Guess I should include my best friend. He was a conservative Southern Baptist, very angry when I announced I had turned to atheism, though he was fine with me as a deist. LOL, I corrupted that fucker. Now he’s an atheist, liberal, and supports gay rights. But again, he’s an exception. His best traits are that he’s intelligent, way more so than I, and best yet, he can admit he’s wrong and is willing to examine his beliefs. Exceptions proving rules and whatnot.
My sister-in-law’s step dad and grandfather are both preachers with doctorates in theology. I can talk religion with them all day, and we all can recognize the issues with modern Christians. The people who actually understand the Bible are generally great people in my experience.
They aren’t the issue. It’s the people who use it as a tool/weapon who are the issue. They don’t care what it says, nor do they even know what it says usually. They might know a handful of passages that can be mangled to fit their hateful ideology, but it doesn’t really matter as long as they fell righteous.
Have you asked them about the bibles internal inconsistencies?
Start with something uncontroversial like; what’s the name of Joseph’s father?
Oooo, can you give us a list of your 12 questions? Or a bunch of them?
LOL, no list. I just grew up in a white-bread Presbyterian church, know the Bible well enough to argue, if not exact chapter and verse.
Dang, I was hoping you could give us some good ammo.
If they had, they’d know there was a 13th disciple named Matthias. I’m not even kidding, it’s in the Book of Acts. He was selected to replace Judas, and is described as having been with them since the beginning.
Very likely not. It’s not an easy book to get through. Even the most devout will usually tap out at the begats.
Read?
No. They wait for people on TV/Facebook to tell them what it says.
Holy fuck, I am so sick of this.
At what point do you admit that you’re just licking assholes?
Come on, a Palestinian man preaching love and compassion ? The whole lot of them would call him a communist terrorist…
If Jesus came back and came to America, he would be shot within 10 minutes of opening his mouth and 100 years later a new religion would be started with a Glock as it’s symbol.
Who says their God hasn’t already tried to come back dozens of times but he keeps getting bombed because he’s middle eastern
What if the Messiah is like the avatar cycle and every generation the Messiah comes back to teach the world shit.
Jesus already had a 13th apostle… Dude doesn’t know about Matthias.
While Matthias was only taking the chair left by Judad, Charlie would have really continued with the true legacy of Judas. 🙏
Or Paul, apparently.
There’s a handful of others, but it all depends on what one considers a canonical source. Like the Dead Sea scrolls vs a King James Bible.
We all know they will only accept one bible.
Can’t read it , it’s not held upside down
Correct; early Christianity was far from monolithic, but the ultimate point is that this person very obviously doesn’t know what the fuck they’re talking about.
yeah i’m not much of a biblical scholar and that’s what i was leading with.
Or Rufus.
Tap for spoiler
American Far-Right Evangelicalism is the biggest heresy in 21st century Christianity and possibly the most wide spread heresy in the history of the religion.
Technically Islam is, since it has roots in the arianism heresy
I reckon being heretical involves at least claiming to be part of the religion. You might have a better argument for LDS
Eh, Muslims claim to worship “The god of Adam, Moses, Abraham, and Jesus”.
JWs claim to be Christian but not the same religion as Christians.
I think Mormons do claim to be a Christian debomination somehow. They even sing Christian hymns. Although I had a Mormon missionary reject monotheism to my face. But again, that’s probably why we’d measure them as heretics here.
I think the Mormons have the number of people that will go to heaven down to a set number and it is not very large like several thousand. That is of all time. Which makes it kind of funny when they are trying to recruit you in their minds you were predestined never to go to heaven.
Those are Jehovah’s Witnesses.
They believe that there is a two tier system, that there are 144,000 people who will go to heaven and the rest will remain on earth.
Mormons believe you become a god and get your own planet
Eh, Muslims claim to worship “The god of Adam, Moses, Abraham, and Jesus”.
Well, sure, but that’s not enough for them to be considered “Christian” in any useful sense of the word. We certainly wouldn’t consider Christians to be Jewish by that standard and they have a much deeper foundation in Judaism than Islam has in Christianity.
Mormons cannot really be considered Christians either
they self-identify as christian though, whereas Muslims do not self-ID as Christians.
And lo, Charles did look down upon the leper, and he did pronounce “ugh, get a job!”
Why the fuck are they riding this dead dick so hard? He was a horrible debater, held repulsive beliefs even to some people on the right, and wasn’t even really that popular. He was a laughing stock to the majority of people and a perfect poster child for ignorant racist idiots the world over. Like, if you’re going to martyr someone, pick someone who stands up to scrutiny.
If the beliefs held up to scrutiny they wouldn’t be associated with the modern Republican party
touche’
They are using his strong religious beliefs as a lighting rod. If you slam Charlie Kirk, you’re basically slamming Christianity. It is easily used as a weapon.
oh that’s pretty easy. i’m against genocide.
Well he did a good job of upholding his PR for those who are dumb enough to believe it because he deceptively edited his videos for them.
Charlie Kirk totally PWNS 25 stupid crybaby liberal students
This is why the fascists are winning. They know how to play the propaganda game. Libs would have shit bricks if we tried to politicize the murder and attempted murder of the Minnesota state lawmakers.
We’re beyond playing fair and taking the high road, Democrats still playing the game from a decade past. And fucking losing.
They know how to play the propaganda game.
This isn’t a propaganda win. Its simply a pretext for what they wanted and had the power to do anyway. Propaganda win would be if there was universal popular support for Kirk, and there wasn’t before and simply isn’t now. Most people didn’t even know who Kirk was before this.
I really wish they’d show more clips of him. Maybe people unfamiliar with him with a couple of brain cells to rub together might realise ‘wait, we’re deifying that idiot?’
And your point? Of course they needed a pretext and this turned out to fit the bill. Roll the propaganda machine!
And your point?
I guess I thought my point was clear in my first sentence. “This isn’t a propaganda win.”
Of course they needed a pretext and this turned out to fit the bill.
They don’t need a pretext either. They’ve already enacted draconian policies against monitory groups based upon race and against LGBTQ folks. They needed no rational pretext for those. They didn’t need one for any other horrible things they’re going to do in the future. They would do those things anyway.
Some dead people become martyrs and that has happened here.
That dumb fucking shooter.
doesnt seem like kirk is the martyr, but more like the shooter is sorta becoming one, because MSM and the gop cant afford to blame one of tier own.
Apparently that’s what they respect. Make of that what you will.
Social effect, easy martyr. Fascism loves this.
they seem to be doubling down the fact the shooter was even further right than he is, the gop ,trump and MSM cant afford to alienate the right by blaming a right winger. its simple they cant blame thier own people. so they have make something up like tying obscure reference of the shooter associating with the “trans” people.
Reality is meaningless to these people. They just make up whatever, it’s a massive circlejerk.
If you think Jesus got pissed with the money lenders at the temple he would have completely lost his shit with Charlie Kirk. Even Judas would have been grossed out.
Nah Judas was literally stealing from charity
children with cancer charity? if so, he is president material
LOL
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
