Can’t escape AI slop projects from meat proxies man. Every single open source project smells like Claude Code recently. Sad times.
I wonder how the rustaceans feel about their language being associated with slop.
It just shows how safe the language is, LLMs have to rely on Rust to prevent all the memory bugs. Same for proof assistants
I used to program in Rust. It’s a great language. I don’t do that anymore because %99.99 of Rust projects are slop nowadays.
So instead of fixing the balance with your human Rust code, you instead associate the language as slop because people choose it for their slop projects since it’s much safer and fast?
If anything, the slop projects working efficiently and not crashing every 5 minutes is the best proof you can have that Rust is uniquely great at what it offers, every language should aim to protect the program from its weakest link programmer which is AI in this case
Language isn’t slop. Where did I say that? I literally said it’s a great language.
What criteria for using rust is now not fulfilled anymore because slop uses rust? seems like you used the language for gaining Internet points
To be honest it’s not rust. It’s more like a mentality thing and probably not logical.
It’s like not raising your hand because it has become a Nazi salute. The act of raising your hand isn’t bad but it’s associated with a bad intention.
It’s the same with Rust. It’s a great language and I actually really enjoy it. But seeing so many slop projects with it made me feel bad. That’s it.
TBF, AI allowed me to make extensions for browsers for my personal use which didn’t exists anywhere. So far, so good for me.
At this point when I see the words “I built” I automatically substitute it with “I cuck-coded”.
“Nothing leaves your device!”
“Curious to know what others think!”
I’ve made an open source hello world calendar app in a month in Rust. This language is so hard to understand for me, and I wrote C code for microcontrollers for a living some days of my life… Just can’t wrap my head around it.
Guess I’ll have to go buy socks and take HRT to finally be able to learn Rust.
Just keep going, the socks and HRT are a random byproduct, not a necessity.
Its just loot that drops when you level up, trust the plan
It’s unfortunately on YouTube, but I always found this explainer quite helpful to understand the core concept of ownership/borrowing: http://intorust.com/
(You can skip the first two chapters.)
It just is a different way of thinking and especially veterans struggle with it, because they’ve got all these patterns in their head that don’t work very well in Rust.
what made it easier for me was to think of it as design by contract. if you start by describing the interfaces, you can basically autocomplete the functionality.
i wrote a driver for an i2c device in rust because i needed to sanity check my c implementation, and after defining the types of each register i wanted to use i could just ignore types entirely because it all became implicit.
not saying i particularly like how much magic there is in rust, just that i get it.
I don’t know, man if it does the thing I want and it’s actively maintained, I don’t care if it’s written by AI.
You ever seen some enterprise grade code ? It’s a bunch of fucking slop just written by humans.
That’s not to say I don’t appreciate fully human-made open source projects as they are very, cool and show a high level of skill these days
Well I do, because the AI is a clear indication of project culture and the approach to work that they have. That’s why I don’t use proprietary software were applicable, because of the lack of care, quality or pretty much anything towards the work done.
Open source gave me often a safety cushion of “this is made by someone who most likely cares for the work they do”. Now I can’t even have that, because any moron with a pulse can “make” a thing/PR/git repo with an irreviewable amount of shit in it, and remove any and all care from the process “as long as the end result is fine 😎”. Memory leaks? Optimization? Maintenability? Who cares! I reverse engineered Adobe! I made a new Pokemon romhack, all by myself! I added 12 new feauters!
The amount of times this trust I have, has left me burnt is too much. My first instincts are genuinely to check contributors and .gitignore, to see if I don’t have to worry that the project doesn’t care for the work it does. It suuuuuckssssss. The lack of AI in a project, hasn’t yet given me that negative experience.
The entire technology stole from every single talented individual including actual open source devs. Someone can use it and create the best app ever and I wouldn’t care. It’s unethical.
That is if you believe “intellectual property” to be an ethical concept in the first place. Many in the free software movement do not. Many of us also do not believe copying, sharing, or remixing is “theft.” That is a propaganda term from the copyright cartel.
(Note that I think so-called generative AI has many problems but this is not one that concerns the free software movement imho)
If all the IP law was repealed I’d celebrate, but enforcing them on everyone except the worst tech companies is not an improvement.
I don’t think copying, sharing or remixing is theft unless it’s done by a big corporation to make money without attribution to my work.
That’s very brave of you. In the meantime other open source developers will continue using AI models that currently exist to benefit their coding were it can.
“it’s unethical”
Uh huh. Which framework? Kantian? Virtue ethics? Rawlsian justice? Utilitarianism? Pick a card, any card.
Lay it out, big man. Nail that shit to the door like Martin Luther.
PS: “I don’t like it” != “it’s unethical”
You feel proud after that reply don’t you? We all have functioning brains. I think it’s obvious. For example from the Wikipedia page.
- Utilitarianism: “Utilitarianism is a family of theories in normative ethics that prescribe actions that maximize happiness and well-being for all affected individuals.”
This one’s easy when you consider people that lost their jobs. If you think “fuck em” then think about how many people got affected mentally because of these chatbots. Also I don’t think Iranian and Palestinian kids being bombed with the help from AI companies would also feel happy about it.
The entire art industry is damaged beyond repair and it’s only getting worse. So many slop movies, music, books, games etc. are being released and it’s becoming harder by day to distinguish them from actual art made by humans.
The architects building your buildings, the engineers designing your airplanes or online services, the people running the fucking government are all mostly using AI to do so much that they are slowly forgetting how to do it themselves.
You can’t tell me a single fucking good thing large scale generative AI contributed to this world. Don’t come at me with marketing bs like some random math problem or “cancer research”.
We spent so much money on this bs and we have nothing apart from some broken research and incompetent people thinking they are not. If you are so entitled that you think it doesn’t matter to you because you love creating some slop with Claude’s arm up your ass then good for you.
Proud? Nah. Bemused, sure.
You hit Wikipedia and looked up utilitarianism. Cool.
Utilitarianism requires weighing all affected parties, not just the ones harmed. AI-assisted diagnosis in underserved regions. Accessibility tools for people who can’t afford specialists. Climate modelling. Translation breaking language barriers. Medical research leading to a Nobel Prize in Medicine.
“Can’t name a single good thing” isn’t a utilitarian argument. It’s vibes. And it’s prima facie untrue. There’s not much point in citing counter-examples because you’ve already made your mind up. Cf. your post history on Fuck AI.
The warfare point is a military policy conversation, not a ChatGPT one.
The art and skill atrophy concerns are legit. But that’s a “how do we manage this” conversation, not “therefore unethical.”
Note by the way I haven’t personally attacked you or accused you of having Claude’s arm up YOUR ass? That’s called an ad-hominem - look that up in your next wikipedia search.
Christ do we really need to lay out a fucking “framework” of ethicality to come to the conclusion, that no, I don’t really like my software to be haphazardly glued together with chewing gum, duct tape and the Environment Destroyer built on billions of lines of code. The licensing issue itself is fucked beyond belief here, and the “originality” of said code.
Fuck me Amazon is literally shredding warehouses of books to keep up this bullshit. So my ethical framework is one that says “Fuck you”, to you specifically, the most.
You do when you’re talking shit like it’s solid gold. Ethics isn’t “I don’t like it, therefore bad”. Bro made the claim…he gets to back his shit up. Or he gets to look like 20 something shouting into the void with penchant for shitty memes.
No hate for OP. But news flash - 99% of all code is AI assisted now. Has been for about 5 years. Sowwy.
You can fuck me if you want, but bring dinner first.
Also, you may want to look into why Amazon is shredding the books, hoss. They’re destroying them because of copyright law. A judge ruled the scanning is only fair use if the original is destroyed.
https://betanews.com/article/amazon-airtag-book-scanning-ai-training/
U got big feelings. We can cuddle after we fuck if you want.
Wait a minute. Why am I wasting my time arguing with a moron like you. You are a booster with a 6 day old account. A bot most likely.
No substantive counter, straight to ad hominem, huh? If I’m a bot, I’m the horniest bot on the fediverse. Anthropic is going to be so disappointed in me!
Eh, I bet that fuck would have been unsatisfying, pappi. You’d leave a girl high and dry. And the pillow talk after would be scintillating, I’m sure.
PS: your mother uses a bot 🤖
this is it. and wherever you see people slapping the work ‘slop’ around you know they have an agenda, or are running about 12 months behind. new models coding is fucking tits, especially for very simple things like direct DLL ports.
throw into the mix 50 years of dead fucking software that no one is maintaining. we’re supposed to protect that from, what? just in case?
tha anti-ai crowd have some points, but they are becoming more cult-like every day… and theres a big chunk of butt-hurt techies leading the way
They definitely have some legitimacy. It really bores me seeing yet another big tech inspired website alongside an empty readme with basically no human made text or AI disclaimer to be seen.
Remember how everyone became an expert epidemiologist and virologist in 2020?
That’s what a lot of the anti-ai noise is. Same Karen energy.
Big feelings, shaky foundations, some real points hidden behind performative tribalism. IOW, another Tuesday on the internet in 202x.
ha, k. if you think ai is literally anything like the maga morons drinking the fox news cool aid, you got bigger problems. ai isnt going to just evaporate like that small subset of idiot humans.
you better fucking buckle up, because the tooling of ai is already becoming ubiquitous and incredibly useful to small businesses. …and code generation and analysis so well done that google is allowing systems to auto-write their own fucking code.
so you keep babbling on about how useless people+ai is… the rest of use will keep moving forward.
Sounds like cope man sorry
Stay mad, bro. Claude living in your head rent free.
Imagine having to look into someone’s account for argument material. Sorry for you man.
Swing and a miss.
Checking post history to see who I’m talking to is called due diligence, champ. You have sadder shit in your profile that I did you the courtesy of not quoting because it’s not relevant to the topic at hand.
Man just stop. You are embarrassing yourself even more by trying to act all tough. “Champ” yeah right.
Why can’t you just accept that some people feel that they benefit from using AI?
Some people feel like they benefit from reading their horoscope, too.
Billionaires probably also feel like they benefit from contributing to environmental damage and societal collapse like you prompstitutes.
Upvote for “prompstitutes”
Even the best LLMs write pretty shitty rust, which is kind of tragic
Have…have we considered that 1) Rust is shitty 2) LLMs learned to code from shitty Rust coders?
Well, its trained on shit code, so why expect anything good?
