I have no loyalty to Gene or his vision. Both the movies and TNG started terrible under his control and only got better as he became less involved. DS9 directly challenged Gene’s rules and assumptions on numerous occasions and was a much stronger series because of it.
Hell, I’ll defend the first JJ Abrams movie because despite it being incredibly dumb and having only a surface level resemblance to Star Trek, it was still a lot of fun.
And on the flip side, I have a fairly low opinion of Voyager because while it’s Star Trek to the core, it also tends to be very poorly written and squanders most of its potential.
I went into Discovery and Picard with an open mind. I wanted to like them, but they just couldn’t meet me half way by being good. Eventually I decided to stop torturing myself with them because I have better things to do with the finite amount of time I have in this world.
Yeah, meme is still about you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Which means that it isn’t about people being unfair to the newer Treks because it doesn’t match an incredibly narrow view of what the series can be. Nor is it about the fans who give way too much credit to Gene and ignore his very glaring flaws.
You’re just objecting to people not liking the thing you like.
Nah, I’m dismissing complaints that have no basis. If you want to actually back up your complaint with something then go for it. But if you’re not willing to defend your stance then it’s because it’s indefensible.
Nah, I’m dismissing complaints that have no basis. If you want to actually back up your complaint with something then go for it.
I didn’t realize that opinions about shows need to be submitted for peer review before they can be valid. Of course, that also means that your position is equally invalid until you can show that your opinion is based on something that I think is acceptable.
But if you’re not willing to defend your stance then it’s because it’s indefensible.
Or because I don’t have the time to write a dissertation on why two shows I watched several years ago weren’t very good. And because you aren’t coming across as terribly open minded on this subject.
So let me save us both time: I point out the general reasons I thought Discovery and Picard were poorly written. You dismiss the general positions until I can provide examples. I list examples of the things I thought were stupid, poorly thought out, or unsatisfying. You counter by pointing out similar things from individual episodes of any of the previous shows or movies. I explain why I think those things either weren’t bad in that context or why they are easier to overlook in shows that had a different story structure, tone, and so on, and also that the existence of bad episodes in previous shows doesn’t make the writing in future shows any better. You accuse me of having nostalgia goggles and being afraid of anything different. I point out that I am all for different, but I want that different thing to also be good. You fall back to claiming that my complaints are unfounded and we return right back to where we started.
I didn’t realize that opinions about shows need to be submitted for peer review before they can be valid
but they just couldn’t meet me half way by being good
Yeah, you might wanna try phrasing it as an opinion then bubba.
That is my issue here. You did not phrase it as an opinion, you phrased it as a fact and then got high and mighty when pointed out it was not fact.
So let me save us both time: I point out the general reasons I thought Discovery and Picard were poorly written. You dismiss the general positions until I can provide examples. I list examples of the things I thought were stupid, poorly thought out, or unsatisfying. You counter by pointing out similar things from individual episodes of any of the previous shows or movies. I explain why I think those things either weren’t bad in that context or why they are easier to overlook in shows that had a different story structure, tone, and so on, and also that the existence of bad episodes in previous shows doesn’t make the writing in future shows any better. You accuse me of having nostalgia goggles and being afraid of anything different. I point out that I am all for different, but I want that different thing to also be good. You fall back to claiming that my complaints are unfounded and we return right back to where we started.
No, instead you wasted more time by posting irrelevant bullshit instead of just asking me for clarification.
You did not phrase it as an opinion. You phrased it as fact. That is my issue here. Not that you have a different opinion than I do.
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Like the title says. Cope.
Not sorry.
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Gurl, kinda funny you’re saying it’s projection on my end when you’re the one repeatedly sinking in a ton of effort on something you’re supposedly not invested in. That being said, you went well beyond the mark here in violating rule 1.
I dunno I don’t care for it because I don’t think it’s good, but at least Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds were fun.
Michael Burnham vacillating wildly between melodramatic mid-episode speeches and crying fits has nothing to do with Gene’s vision.
It’s just bad writing, and I don’t need to support it just because it’s wearing a Star Trek Edgar suit.
She showed emotion and strength, heavy past trauma, and the will and capacity to work through them.
But yeah, let’s prefer the old patriarcal “deny anything that just happened because it would show weakness” approach from the 50’s.
Yeah, I feel like Michael’s arc somehow went completely many people’s heads. She’s not emotionally volatile for no reason. She’s relearning to process her emotions after their development was arrested by ill-advised Vulcan parenting before she had a chance to process her grief.
There were examples of bad writing to be found in Discovery (as in every other Trek), but Micheal being an emotional wreck wasn’t one of them.
Congratulations on having a functioning brain cell. It’s staggering how few Trekkies seem to have any left. I’ve also rewatched it recently and she does not cry that often. It’s like 6 times in total over 5 seasons. People calling that over-emotional are people who, as you pointed out, did not understand her character at all. That and a heavy dose of misogny. Pretty much every other character was fairly emotional too in certain cases but those characters get praised for the strength of overcoming it.
The second that Discovery went serial instead of episodic, it absolutely broke peoples brains. They apparently have literally no media comprehension abilities and only liked TNG and VOY because it (as much as I love it) stuffed the lesson down your throat every episode because it had to. Syndication.
If I have to hear one more fuckwit say how it isn’t hopeful or optimistic I’m just going to beat them over the head with a book of media theory.
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No you don’t need to support it. But you also don’t need to outright lie like this either.
Stop making shit up or trying to rewrite what happened. Base your criticism off of reality instead of an opinion that you watched on YouTube.
