The only “privacy” you have to hoping the laws of the jurisdiction where its operated in is privacy-friendly, if the courts there decide to issue a warrant, you’re fucked.
The takeaway: Use cash payments and use a VPN when accessing Protonmail.
(ProtonVPN and ProtonMail are governed by different laws. Swiss courts can demand logging of a MAIL provider but not a VPN provider… so you have to use ProtonVPN (or another no-log VPN to access ProtonMAIL…)
I agree but I do think they could be more forward in disclosure. Like “hey in the case of a federal subpoena, your account address, backup email, and payment information could be disclosed to authorities”.
So you want them to defy the courts and be shut down?
If it’s a legal cort ordered request for information (which this was) they have to comply. It’s not really optional any more.
Yeah, how dare Proton have forced that customer to use their personally identifying credit card when they paid for the service! I can’t believe Proton AG prevented them specifically from using cash or cryptocurrency when they openly allow and advertise it for everyone else. Especially when that person was allegedly in (what the US government considers) a domestic terror cell; Proton should’ve known the risks.
And then on top of all that, they readily sent the Swiss government that credit card information completely out of the blue. Bastards!
Maybe start with not giving payment information to the FBI, proton. Private means private.
https://www.404media.co/proton-mail-helped-fbi-unmask-anonymous-stop-cop-city-protestor/
No company will go to jail for your privacy.
The only “privacy” you have to hoping the laws of the jurisdiction where its operated in is privacy-friendly, if the courts there decide to issue a warrant, you’re fucked.
The takeaway: Use cash payments and use a VPN when accessing Protonmail.
(ProtonVPN and ProtonMail are governed by different laws. Swiss courts can demand logging of a MAIL provider but not a VPN provider… so you have to use ProtonVPN (or another no-log VPN to access ProtonMAIL…)
I agree but I do think they could be more forward in disclosure. Like “hey in the case of a federal subpoena, your account address, backup email, and payment information could be disclosed to authorities”.
Tbh you should just assume this for every platform you use
Not everyone is as informed as you, antifa_ceo
When I was considering signing up a couple of years ago and looking through their site, I did see a notice to that effect.
Epstein Files
But then that’d scare too many users away and Mr. Andy Yen can’t feel so good about himself anymore… THINK OF THE CERN SCIENTISTS!
So you want them to defy the courts and be shut down?
If it’s a legal cort ordered request for information (which this was) they have to comply. It’s not really optional any more.
Yeah, how dare Proton have forced that customer to use their personally identifying credit card when they paid for the service! I can’t believe Proton AG prevented them specifically from using cash or cryptocurrency when they openly allow and advertise it for everyone else. Especially when that person was allegedly in (what the US government considers) a domestic terror cell; Proton should’ve known the risks.
And then on top of all that, they readily sent the Swiss government that credit card information completely out of the blue. Bastards!