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  • DMT and the Church are both technologies to access the experience of God, with very different costs. I agree on the worshipping part, in fact I’m talking about experiencing God, not worshipping. Worshipping is a way to eventually experience God, it’s not a consequence, at least within Christianity. Faith means trusting that through worshipping you will eventually have the experience of God, in a way or another.

    Then if you prefer not to call it a God, that’s fine, but you miss out on the fact that countless people in the past millennia were talking about the same thing you saw on DMT. The God of Spinoza, Mulla Sadra or Plato is not necessarily a God to worship.


  • you’re defined by your environment, either by aligning to it or by rejecting it. You’re never free from it. What I’m saying is that that’s your understanding of spirituality and religion, even if you reject it, because most people around you employ that worldview. And it has very little to do with your rational side or critical thinking.


  • I’m not Christian. I was raised culturally Catholic but never practiced or believed in the Christian God. I’ve been excomunicated for a few years too. I have no connection to the Catholic in any form (except maybe some of their money funding some political stuff I do).

    The Catholic Church, understood as the community of believers, is an organization going on for thousands of years, in every corner of the world, involving a few billions of humans. Every organization of that size will have stains in its history, especially if you judge them from the perspective of late-stage modernity morals, which the Church deliberately doesn’t participate in. They have their own system, and it clashes with the rationalist mindset because both systems have a claim to universalism, with the Christian universalism creating the modern colonial-scientific universalism. They are two sides of the same coin. I make little distinction between the two, because both eventually lead to oppression. That said, nowadays the Catholic Church is positioning itself as the main leader of the anti-fascist front in the Global North.

    Also little historical note: quantitatively, the vast majority of witch burnings were done by protestants, not by catholics


  • I assume you’ve never experienced the existence of God, which is a pity. Great experience. 10/10, would recommend.

    I guess you’ve never experienced the existence of aliens, which makes the two experiences equivalent in their absurdity to you, but you should consider that the vast majority of people out there did experience God in a way or another.




  • The big selling point of Christianity was to move God and faith within the subject, moving away from external and ritualistic practices. Also, objectivity is a modernist perspective and it’s not an intrinsic valuable thing. Outside of rationalist bubbles in the global north, objectivity is pretty uninteresting trait to evaluate knowledge, because the knower and the known are never objective.


  • Some people tried to prove God through language and logic, but it’s beyond the point. The existence of God is much more easily experienced than proven.

    The Bible was born as a support to create the community around which the experience of God was possible. A scenario in which a person is reading the Bible alone, thinking really hard about it, and comes out convinced of God’s existence is not what the Bible was written for or how it’s used in most forms of Christianity.


  • Yes people absolutely did write and read it as an historical account. You need to distinguish between multiple authors who did not sit in a writing room together and editors who collected the works. The reason why multiple reports were collected was to get at the truth. Long lists of names and events were included to establish historical credibility.

    Were you raised in a protestant country? Because this is a very protestant logic.