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Term limits, no. Age limits, yes. The basic run down is term limits sound great but they lead to more corruption because politicians are more dependent on third party help to get elected.
I’m from a rural state, so I get that some don’t want term limits, or the pork spending and leadsership positions would never go to small population congresspeople. But, fuck it. It’s one way to help people and not land make decisions.
That’s not the problem. Hell small populations are easier to propagandize and once legislators are disposable items you’ll need those small populations to reliably vote your party’s way.
The problem is the balance of power between individual politicians, their party, and lobbyists tips seriously into the favor of party and lobbyists. That would be fine in a system like proportional representation, where it’s easier to get rid of a bad party. But not in a district system.
So for all of the criticism that politicians should wear their sponsors on their suits, term limits will make that 100 times worse.
There are many things that would be a good change. In a vacuum, term limits would absolutely be one of them. Like excluding family members from the presidency. You can argue against it, but you’re wrong.
The problem is we don’t live in a vacuum. Humans and organizations are going to react, and we know how they’re going to react because we’ve studied it. Politicians survive on their personal name brand. Term limits obliterate that. If you want to run for Congress you’ll have to submit an application to a major party or be an independently wealthy person, preferably with some kind of family dynasty people recognize.
Once the politicians are completely dependent on party that moves all decision making to the party. That means cookie cutter bills in every state and decisions made in smoke filled rooms by people whose name you’ve never heard. Yeah that happens to some extent now, but with professional politicians that have their own constituency they have the independence to say no. If the employee politician under the term limit system says no they don’t get their next term, they certainly don’t get a crack at higher office, and they don’t get their soft landing after their terms are up.
Long term it gets even worse. Anyone with enough money can play this game, including billionaires like Elon Musk. Are you excited for Elon’s personal legislator? No? Then don’t do term limits.
Anyone with enough money has been playing the game for roughly 250 years. Term limits isn’t a fix by itself, and with other countries purchasing presidents, maybe not the first reform, but it’s on the list, no?
Sure they have, I said as much in my post. But it’s a lot less effective if the guy you gave a massive donation to can now raise money on his own name and get himself re-elected. He’s free to tell you no, no matter how much money you gave his campaign.
Yeah, term limits mean that when those rare good ones do come along, there’s a limit to how long they can do good, then you need to go back to the gamble that the next guy isn’t just saying whatever they think will win them the election.
Though that’s assuming a legit good one even could make it to the presidency and won’t just get JFK’d if they won’t be controlled.
I also wouldn’t be surprised if the secret service is as much a means to control the president as it is to protect him, too.
Term limits, no. Age limits, yes. The basic run down is term limits sound great but they lead to more corruption because politicians are more dependent on third party help to get elected.
I’m from a rural state, so I get that some don’t want term limits, or the pork spending and leadsership positions would never go to small population congresspeople. But, fuck it. It’s one way to help people and not land make decisions.
That’s not the problem. Hell small populations are easier to propagandize and once legislators are disposable items you’ll need those small populations to reliably vote your party’s way.
The problem is the balance of power between individual politicians, their party, and lobbyists tips seriously into the favor of party and lobbyists. That would be fine in a system like proportional representation, where it’s easier to get rid of a bad party. But not in a district system.
So for all of the criticism that politicians should wear their sponsors on their suits, term limits will make that 100 times worse.
There are many things that would be a good change. In a vacuum, term limits would absolutely be one of them. Like excluding family members from the presidency. You can argue against it, but you’re wrong.
The problem is we don’t live in a vacuum. Humans and organizations are going to react, and we know how they’re going to react because we’ve studied it. Politicians survive on their personal name brand. Term limits obliterate that. If you want to run for Congress you’ll have to submit an application to a major party or be an independently wealthy person, preferably with some kind of family dynasty people recognize.
Once the politicians are completely dependent on party that moves all decision making to the party. That means cookie cutter bills in every state and decisions made in smoke filled rooms by people whose name you’ve never heard. Yeah that happens to some extent now, but with professional politicians that have their own constituency they have the independence to say no. If the employee politician under the term limit system says no they don’t get their next term, they certainly don’t get a crack at higher office, and they don’t get their soft landing after their terms are up.
Long term it gets even worse. Anyone with enough money can play this game, including billionaires like Elon Musk. Are you excited for Elon’s personal legislator? No? Then don’t do term limits.
Anyone with enough money has been playing the game for roughly 250 years. Term limits isn’t a fix by itself, and with other countries purchasing presidents, maybe not the first reform, but it’s on the list, no?
Sure they have, I said as much in my post. But it’s a lot less effective if the guy you gave a massive donation to can now raise money on his own name and get himself re-elected. He’s free to tell you no, no matter how much money you gave his campaign.
That entire calculus changes with term limits.
Yeah, term limits mean that when those rare good ones do come along, there’s a limit to how long they can do good, then you need to go back to the gamble that the next guy isn’t just saying whatever they think will win them the election.
Though that’s assuming a legit good one even could make it to the presidency and won’t just get JFK’d if they won’t be controlled.
I also wouldn’t be surprised if the secret service is as much a means to control the president as it is to protect him, too.