It feels like they’re two different roles. It might be better to have user-orientated servers that prioritise federation of content and only have a couple of meta-style communities, and other servers which prioritise being the go-to place for discussion on a particular topic and less a place that manages a large number of user accounts.
It just seems like two really distinct roles all servers are trying to do at the same time, and it’s leading to larger sites with a lot of users duplicating all the same subs, rather than there being any particular spot for certain types of discussion.
It also means the server hosting a particular type of discussion might defed certain instances to prevent trolling when it’s a sensitive topic, but it wouldn’t affect a large userbase who have that as their home server, it would only be moderating the discussion for the content areas they specialise in.
Thoughts?
There’s many ways these communities could end up gathering over time given the features of the platform we have. The most likely in my opinion is that certain communities on certain instances will take off and gradually people will focus on those instead of the many duplicates on other instances. It’ll probably be quite a while before enough critical mass builds up.
Exactly what I think as well. Reddit had multiple subs for the same toppic, but only one of them really takes off, and the others just fizzle out or have a slightly more specific focus. Same will happen with the Fediverse.
Agreed. And it’s interesting to see how communities are spread out even among related topics. For example if you see my post here with a list of crafting / maker communities, generally the first one or two under each heading are the most active and they’re all over the place.
.world and .ml and kbin.social yes, but also .ca, blahaj, sopuli, and various others. And that’s just the quickly-establishing communities within one niche!
This is how email works. This is how the internet worked in general before the big sites
The problem you want to fix is a big issue in computing in general. Billions have been spent on last mile auth and universal digital identity is still just a bit out of reach
Soon.
I mean, absolutely - I guess what I’m saying is, it feels like a good time to bake in good ideas, while the fediverse is still evolving. After a while it’ll just be the way it’s always been and it’ll be harder to improve.
Digital identity at scale is still in the research stages and requires a fair amount of capital. This is why Google and social logins are dominant.
Unless someone has a rabbit in thier pocket we are waiting for a decentralized form of auth. There are some but people don’t really like them. Even here.
The w3c standard you want to look into is DiD
Source: day job
In a limited sense that’s kind of what we’re getting with the fediverse though - your account working across a number of servers. People don’t seem to be thinking about how to do more than set up a bunch of duplicate instances rather than how to leverage it. I’ll have a look at the DiD though… I’m a programmer so always interested.
It’s a deceptive problem. Right now you have either cert trees or pki signers. Neither allow a traditional login flow and making it like “the old way” using “the new way” requires enclaves, signers and a specific sku of Intel processor.
Why tho? If we can get standardized protocols and stuff, why not a standardized login system where 1 account works on every site?
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Digital identity at scale is still in the research stages and requires a fair amount of capital. This is why Google and social logins are dominant.
Unless someone has a rabbit in thier pocket we are waiting for a decentralized form of auth. There are some but people don’t really like them. Even here.
The w3c standard you want to look into is DiD
Source: day job
I’m sorry if I’m being pedantic, but so many of these discussions come down to “how can we make Lemmy be Reddit,” or “how can we make a federated network not be so federated.”
This conversation is the exact opposite of that. This is “how can we better optimize federation”.
