Forks are used by developers to not only “fork an application”, but also just to fork the repo, work on their own branches, and push (PR) them back to the main repo. I have forks of many repos, but that doesn’t mean “i have forked the application under a new name”.

Oracle can suck it

Piece of shit company

Piece of shit owner

I’ll check it out some time

I set it up earlier and it felt like a highschool project. The AiO bloat, the GUI, lots of little bugs everywhere… The service didn’t even stop when I ran i2p stop.

I’m not against it, but I do hope it gets a lot better.

I don’t think they care about piracy.

I don’t understand your point. Nor do I even understand why you want to justify this.

I only see selfishness because you obviously get butthurt over hackers.

Besides that I see no empathy for kids and teenagers, and even less for their parents.

This is done and you are blocked.

People that just complain without a better improvement in mind

As I said, you ignored it once, and twice.

I’d argue that hackers are more important to valve

They aren’t more important to Valve; they are more important to people like you. And Valve just tries to figure out the best for everybody. Albeit badly.

They just now announced a family sharing feature

Go do some research before claiming such things. It has been a thing for many many years. And as far as I know, they simply reinforced their ruling on bans. My argument already existed for many years, but is now even more true.

You’re the one arguing for an alternative that could increase the number of hackers

Hackers buy and sell accounts for a few euros. On top of their €20/month cheats this is nothing. Most people getting VAC bans are the stupid ones trying out free hacks. Which mostly are kids. Who would have thought?

VAC is meaningless for the real hackers. And an account being used for hackers is easily spotted compared to an account from a parent sharing it to their kid. You keep asking for my solution, but my solutions are so obvious it would take a stupid person to not think of them. Hey here’s one: “investigate the main accounts manually”. I thought such ideas would not require a triple digit IQ to be considered obvious.

You have lost absolutely nothing - nothing has been “ruined”.

They already had family sharing where a ban upon the main account could have been contested. You could at least ask them to consider the age or stupidity of the person or family member using your library.

God you’re annoying. This is a useless discussion that doesn’t have any power over Valve whatsoever. Nor do I even have to be the one to come up with a plan. I actually even already gave a simple plan and you ignored it.

Your arguments that hackers are more important than a parent with a kid are selfish and stupid. You encounter a hacker online and instead of going “oh well, I’m sure that kid will learn sometime” you go “fuck that hacker!!! boohoo!!! valve fix this omfg!!! boohoo”. And force Valve to ruin it for the rest of us.

Valve has a stupid rule here which should be revised and improved for actual families, instead of trying to babyproof the whole goddamn thing. Parents shouldn’t have to babysit their kid when it comes to videogames. It’s actually bad parent and many teenagers would even choose to cheat just to rebel.

How come these concepts are too high for you to grasp?

How can you be so absolutely stupid?

Yeah I’m done talking to you.

You’re trying to use nice words within your assumption, but one can only assume that yes, this is to minimize hackers. Whether this is a good service, does not belong to that assumption. This service is demolished by the constant need to protect every single aspect against hackers. It’s on par with kernel anticheats. A few cheaters ruin it for the rest of us.

The main priority should be family sharing, which is literally what it’s called. It’s not my job to provide a good service. But I do know when a service is prone to bullshit that’ll just punish people for actually trying to be nice and share stuff within their family.

Valve could have just banned the account that was actually cheating, send a mail to the owner, and let them disable the sharing. Punish after.

Talking with you is useless.

You think teenagers don’t make mistakes.

You think a parent is bad if their teenager makes a mistake.

Hence, discussing these things with you is useless, because you can not accept the reality.

Yeah sure buddy.

Yeah I hope you lose a ton of shit because you put trust in your kid, tell them to not cheat, and they cheat regardless.

This feature is meant for family sharing, but they take away the stupidness of a teenager. A kid can even be tricked into running funny.exe that randomly injects itself into memory spaces of programs, causing almost any anticheat to detect it.

Keep your stupid perfectionism out of the equitation. Kids aren’t perfect.

It’s fucking games. Not a dangerous machine that could easily kill other people.

That’s stupid and too “perfect”. You can’t enforce perfect behavior onto a teenager. They are guaranteed to make mistakes.

I’m talking about how an account that cheats while using the shared library of a parent, would get the account of the parent in trouble.

That’s what I took away from this whole ordeal.

If they just lose access to that game on their own account, sure, perfectly fine.

I’m not sure where you’re going with this either.

I know it’s to make sure cheaters get punished. But that destroys the whole purpose of sharing your gaming library with your kids. They are prone to making mistakes. Should a parent be punished for that? I think the kid should.

15+ years ago I used an aimbot on the first Call of Duty that I got as a gift and got a PunkBuster ban. I was 13 years old and found something new and wanted to try it out. I got punished, in a single game, all by myself. My parents did not get punished, but I was crying.

I can’t even imagine if I were a kid and made my parent lose access to a lot of games. That would be absolute horror. Not only for little kid me then, but also for my parent. If I would share my cureent Steam account with my kid and they’d get a VAC ban, I would lose €700 in CS skins alone.

Like how we respect eachother in online gaming and there are not cheaters?

This is about families.

On one hand you have a responsible adult with over 500 collected Steam games and on the other hand you have a 14 year old discovering porn and cheats.