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Cake day: November 21st, 2023

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  • It’s taken me forever to reply because (a) I feel guilty about short replies to long messages, (b) I had to think about this a bit, and © I almost exclusively access Lemmy on my phone and I hate typing long messages on my phone. Not an excuse, just an explanation. There are no good Lemmy desktop clients, but I’ve finally logged in to my instance’s web interface to respond to this. 3 months later.

    well I appreciate the time and tbh and in no hurry for any of this. I’m glad it was on an account I actively monitor. I also don’t have a perfect system set up to keep track of lemmy stuff so probably I miss things sometimes.

    The argument that because the currency isn’t endorsed or backed by a government means it’s not real seems debatable, at best.

    So as to the nature of crypto vs fiat. Fiat is not only backed by The State, it is created and controlled by The State. I have never done a deep dive but superficially I find the ideas of MMT as explained by Cory Doctow compelling in the context of capitalism

    MMT’s core precept is that governments first spend money into existence and then tax it out of existence (contrast this with the standard account that says that governments must tax citizens to pay for programs, which raises the question, “How did the citizens get the money to pay for their taxes unless the government first spent that money into existence, given that governments are the sole source of currency?”).

    I first encountered it on some podcast he was on, it might have been this one but not totally sure tbh.

    So in terms of whether it’s “real” that is one difference.

    People have been scamming people using regular money for far longer than cryptocurrency has existed.

    It is an interesting point, and I’m compelled to agree that lots of scams have been conducted with fiat currency. If it were possible to count it all up, way, way more value has been scammed out of people via fiat.

    Just to disclose my priors: To be honest, I am not too interested in “fortunes” being scammed because I don’t think anyone comes by massive quantities of money by means which are defensible. An old saying: “if one man has a dollar he didn’t work for, it means another man worked for a dollar he didn’t get.” It is clumsy and imprecise but summarizes how I feel about wealthy individuals.

    But crypto has been extensively marketed to people without fortunes. Small people like you (I assume) and me and our families and communities. These people will never get redress for their lost money and it can be devastating. It has specifically targets for example racialized communities who have been systematically excluded from systems that would allow them to accumulate fiat and property.

    Unlike fiat, which is created and required by the state, crypto is more like an MLM (pyramid scheme). It is only valuable while new people are buying into it with fiat. If the money pump stops or even slow down, there is a crash. Fiat doesn’t need people to buy into it with crypto and it never will.

    Back to the topic of chat apps.

    I think it feels sleezy to you because the devs are also interested in integrating cryptocurrency into the Session ecosystem, and you believe cryptocurrency=bad.

    Disagree. I wouldn’t use a chat app that was run by Wells Fargo or PayPal or Visa or a local credit union or any other such organization. That would be weird. My use case for a chat app is 100% in social communication and I see no reason for that to be entangled in financials unless I was directly choosing to contribute money to the development costs of the app.

    However I can see different use cases where integration of financial exchange into the platform would be of benefit. Those would be for conducting relationships with a significant transactional nature. Platforms like ebay and aliexpress have chat/mail features and that makes sense. And think of facebook marketplace; also combines chat and transactions. People do business on instagram and whatsapp. It appears that the primary application of something like session would be as an adjunct or replacement for those kinds of conversations.

    The question is: Is this a chat app that also has a way to send money, or a financial transaction app with a chat feature? I think it is the latter.

    I will admit I don’t deeply understand the inners of blockchains. But we know they are unstable so I still find it strange to mix up other unrelated features so intimately. For example aliexpress has a chat feature, and ultimately the stability of the chat is reliant on the business continuity of the organization. But on a day to day level, the reliability of the infrastructure isn’t changing according to how much business is being conducted, how popular aliexpress is. I also wouldn’t use aliexpress chat to conduct my personal relationships. If I made a friend on aliexpress somehow, I would move that to a more appropriate platform.

    You’ve correctly compared crypto to the stock market. It is very apt as they share a lot of structural elements; only the stock market is older, more entrenched. My opinion: stock market is completely indefensible; get rid of it. Same premise different conclusion. :D I wouldn’t use a chat app that was relying on some penny stock for it’s technical viability.


    further reading if this wasn’t enough:

    Molly White follows and explains crypto et al; her website: Web3 is Going Just Great is updated frequently. If you are a podcast weirdo like me, she appears on them from time to time, search through your app.




  • Thanks, great answer!

    I couldn’t possibly obtain access to this software any way except through the employer. They only sell it to people in the industry and it’s too niche to pirate. It also only works in context of other stuff that would be impossible to reproduce.

    I will think on it… I don’t even know who would be able to make a decision like that on behalf of the employer and since it’s unlikely it has ever come up before probably nobody does. I’d probably end up sitting in front of the Big Boss trying to explain what open source is and why I am spending their time on it and why a license means anything.



  • my industry is so unaware of this sort of thing that it would literally never occur to anyone to include it in a contract or even policies. i’ve never heard of it being discussed.

    I am not worried about personal legal problems. I intend to distribute for free to other people doing similar jobs who are not competitors. I guess the worst is that someone could make me change it or something? I would probably never be in a position to enforce anyway.

    It is primarily an educational intervention for other users. So I don’t want to do it wrongly enough that it causes confusion.






  • ah wonderful!

    Your GNU/Linux is infected with 87 proprietary packages out of 5290 total installed.
    Your Stallman Freedom Index is 98.36
    

    boooooooooo!!!

    Somehow my wifi drivers have become non-free? I am pretty certain I selected the free variant during install. Though come to think of it I wasn’t clear how assertive that option was. I do think there are free drivers for this… hmm.

    As FYI for anyone reading this,you need to use -f to get a complete list. It only shows me about a dozen even though it says there 87! The information is carefully hidden.

    This thread is hurting my brain

    i live like this all the time. :/ wouldn’t wish it on anyone else. sorry to inflict my cognition on you but I appreciate your time :D


  • Yes it would be good to filter, or sort. Have a little icon or color code licenses according to configuration. I’m always annoyed when I discover I accidentally installed some proprietary application. I would always select FLOSS if something is available. And it usually is.

    From what I’ve found, expac would probably be involved in in displaying this information; I couldn’t find any more direct way.

    I did actually try to write this but I got stuck with my rudimentary skills. (user name is aspirational lol)


  • Don’t you think that in the context of this thread, ubuntu is more FLOSS than arch?

    This post is made wishing that someone will tell me I am missing something here. But if I’m not then it seems like we have to give the point to ubuntu no? because you have a much better chance of obtaining a FLOSS system if you can at least have a way to select what you are installing.

    Would be interesting if there was a script that could audit the licenses being used by all the installed applications. Then generate a report. I wonder what the arch-based community is rocking with. I guess they also have logs of what people download though not sure how centralized/available that info is.


  • I find it surprising that this data, which as you say is available is impossible to display except by going on one by one investigations. It is too time-consuming to be reasonably accomplished. Especially when you consider going up the dependency chain. I am hoping someone can point me to a reasonable way to go about it. If none exists I do feel like its just not a priority for the whole community. I couldn’t even find anything about this by scouring the usually-helpful arch wiki. I don’t find any gists or other scripts, no forum posts, nothing .

    I have not been much of a distro-hopper, just using ubuntu/debian and now manjaro for years. Maybe I will switch. I strongly prefer the pacman situation to apt. I never looked into any of the other options though so maybe there is something suitable.



    1. where does it say its open source? I do not see this anywhere. what is the stated license?
    2. assuming it does say this somewhere, have you attempted to contact the developer to request the source code? for example here https://app.macoou.com/inquiry What was the result?

    if yes to the above and no resolution:

    • could try reporting via whatever google’s mechanism is; “flag as inappropriate” i guess
    • could contact the SFC https://sfconservancy.org/copyleft-compliance/ they are the only org I am aware of that does this kind of thing as a general activity; I doubt they would be interested in this little hobby project-looking dev
    • if the dev is using FLOSS code, for example which was published under GPL, and they are not complying with the license in redistribution, then you could notify the devs of the GPL code
    • if you wish to pursue the matter independently you will need to find about about the dev’s local jurisdiction and how to carry out a legal action there. looks like that would be japan.

  • lots! I love add ons. I have dozens of them installed but I disable whatever I’m not currently using. I usually have about 5-10 active at a time. I go for the simple, single use ones ala “unix philosophy” when able because I feel they don’t eat up resources and present less security risk.

    They’re so convenient for random little tasks. Like a while ago I had to use this webpage that made you check boxes individually for every single item… like >60 check boxes. I have an addon that lets you bulk select and check boxes. Very rarely needed but great to have.

    And I have certain groups of add ons that I use for specific tasks. When I am conducting research I have an addon for zotero, to avoid pay walls, the way back machine, singlefile and other record-keeping tools. Bulk file downloaders; which you need several of because they don’t all work for every situation. Also more advanced history and bookmark interfaces. Don’t need them most of the time.

    Firefox is so great about allowing add-ons, it turns it into a powerful tool for all kinds of niche use-cases. I wish it would have a more sophisticated way to manage them. However also I am aware that I’m an unusual user so