I would honestly be interested about where you got that the transponder is based on movement vs position. And I don’t say that to catch you in a lie at all I am thoroughly honestly interested in this and would like to learn more about this tech.
edit: and yes from the in-board cam it does look like at least the contact patch was in-front you are right.
Well he was far enough not to trip the transponder no matter what the camera suggests.
Ahh didn’t know about that thanks for the precision. Still feels a bit harsh to me, especially the second one where he went wide.
Yep that’s exactly my concern. This seems abusable. Drivers could theoretically stop further back from the grid and use that distance to get the car rolling before fully dropping the clutch, limiting tire slip. Someone posted the rules about grid placement and while there is a rule against sideways position or angle, there isn’t anything about being further back. It’s probably not going to happen but I personally would try that short rolling start in practice just to see.
I’m not so sure about your second point. He might have set up further back (probably unvoluntarily) so even when he jumped he didn’t cross the limit of the grid box. This would also mean that they didn’t have any infringement on the rules you posted so they couldn’t just give him a penalty.
I remember some years ago it was possible to measure drivers reaction time at the start. I remember Bottas even had an almost impossible reaction of a couple thousands of a second, he probably got lucky but it still was after the reds went out. So how about using clutch release telemetry or wheel speed sensors data and compare that to exactly when they shut the lights? If that difference is anywhere under 0.000, you jumped. It would still be incredibly hard to judge while not allowing any form of movement before the lights are actually out.
I agree that it was detrimental to him this time around since he lost focus and actually started far after the others because of it. I’m still interested in seeing if the decision was made because he actually fucked his own start or if it was because the sensors didn’t detect the jump though. If it’s the sensors I believe it could open pandora’s box as it would be a definitive advantage to get even the slightest of rolls before dropping the clutch.
They were too busy giving 10 sec penalties to Magnussen for actual racing. Ok maybe the Albon pinch was penalty worthy but 10 seconds?
Ahh might be I was just going from memory. Was Bottas though.
Yeah I remember him having a crazy 0.00something reaction time. I even remember Vettel straight up saying he didn’t believe that in post races interviews. It was probably a case of perfect anticipation more than reaction.
I hope this is not going to give others ideas though. Don’t want to see the guys line up further back just to try and get more momentum before the lights.
He had 20 seconds of penalties so that’s probably it.
Yep, Max is fast enough to be a championship contender in either of the Top 4 teams right now, maybe top 5 considering what Alonso is doing in that Aston.
I also agree that RedBull would be stupid to not choose him over Horner. He absolutely destroyed 4 teammates with this team so far. You know, people that drive the same car, in the same team headed by the same people. The car sure is fast but this combination is all conquering and whatever you say Horner’s maybe the fourth person responsible for that right now, and that’s conservative.
To each their own. I actually like that a lot from Max. The sheer dedication and intensity and him never holding his punches is inspiring honestly. This guy is the embodiment of “if you ain’t first, you’re last” and it’s honestly a sight to behold. There’s plenty of (often fabricated or artififial) drama in F1 right now and I for one hate it. It takes so much attention out of the actual racing. It’s also a bit ironic that Kimi was hailed as a hero with how he treated media and drama while Max gets so much criticism for the same thing. We are witnessing one of the greatest that ever did it, and he’s still destroying everyone, just try to enjoy that instead of the fake AF media personalities most other drivers put on all the time. He’s as real as it gets.
If my copium is not having a memeish early conclusion after 1 race.
Go watch DTS then.
Bahrain last year was mostly better because we had Alonso magic. And the race wasn’t great I wasn’t saying that either. But I’m fucking tired of comment after comment after comment after comment after comment after comment after comment after comment after comment after posts of super high effort and creativity about how “seasons over” since the first day of testing. Everybody was expecting Max on top he’s just dominant. But the midfield seem very tight, most teams seem to have stepped it up. All of the good stuff from last season happened in f1.5 anyway and this year looks like it’s going to be even closer and involve more drivers.
If you only look at the winner after the fact, maybe.
Meh to each their own. I feel like these shot would look just as fast if it were following an f3 car at 160kph. It’s the like how movies create the illusion of going fast even though they were going 30kph while filming. The car is (almost)static, centered and in focus in the screen so I don’t particularly think it shows the true speed of the cars. It’s a basic shot composition technique, the subject quickly going from one end of the screen to the other is a powerful dynamic effect. The blurriness of the surroundings do all the heavy lifting here so you don’t get as much visual information to distinguish between going 150 or 350kph. You can see this in the video when are on a dry vs wet track, it’s really hard to tell how much slower or faster they are going it all looks the same. I think a static cam is closer to what you would see IRL. By the way I’m not against those shots, they are far better and clearer than quick panning shots like what is mostly used anyway.
A bit early isn’t it? I’m not doubting he’ll be good but there hasn’t been any racing in '24 yet.
Drone shots are cool but they kinda kill the sense of speed of the cars. One of the best shots I’ve seen in recent years was a static camera with a wide angle shot of the cars going through maggots and becketts. The speed which they carried and the neck breaking changes of direction was an incredible sight. Similar was the ground camera looking up at eau rouge/raidillion. If you match the speed it’s hard to truly appreciate how fast these cars really are in comparison with other series.
…Just says there’s a transponder that’s supposed to judge if there was movement. It says nothing about how said transponder achieves that judgement. It doesn’t simply senses movement as you astutely pointed out the car very obviously moved. That means it needs a reference point.
So Is it gps? Is it an accelerometer? Is there another sensor on the grid it has to cross? Is it telemetry? Why is there this much wiggle room?