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  • I don’t think we actually disagree all that much. Our main point of disagreement is on the degrees of stuff. It seems I think the 90s was way less extreme (on the bad side) than you do, and that Star Trek was also way less extreme than you do (on the progressive side).

    To be honest, you’ve made it sound like the 90s America was pretty much like Saudi Arabia and that Star Trek as depicted was the full realization of Gene Roddenberry’s post-race free love communist utopia. The reality of both was far more moderate. I’d even argue that there’s a lot more anti-gay sentiment and hostility around now than there was in the 90s.



  • Yeah. The same thing has happened in the music world, the book world, and even the movie world.

    YouTube lowered the barrier to entry to basically nothing if you want to publish your own movie. Getting millions of people to watch it, even completely for free, is very difficult. Almost all of the videos out there with millions of views were published by people who were already well known (even if they grew their fanbase directly on YouTube).

    Music is probably fairly similar to movies in that you can publish easy on YouTube and then direct everyone to your Bandcamp site to buy music from you.

    The book world is probably hardest to crack. There are so many authors out there and it’s very easy (from a technical standpoint) to publish your own book. Writing a book a lot of people want to read and getting people to read it is a totally different matter!


  • Dax is literally a worm living inside Jadzia’s body. Basically an alien parasite that evolved into a mutualism relationship instead.

    Jadzia is more than a sex appeal of course. I’m talking about one scene, not her whole character.

    If you look at her entire character it’s pretty clear that at no point is she living as a lesbian, closeted or otherwise. All of her interactions with male characters have romantic or at least flirtatious overtones (some unrequited), except with Sisko who she treats as an old friend (and he refers to her as old man). Her only major romantic relationship that takes place during the running of the show is her romance and marriage to Worf.

    Furthermore, I take exception to quotes from the show’s writing staff. The writers’ goals and intentions literally do not matter. Only what appears in the show as it aired (“the text”).

    Just as we shouldn’t pay any attention to what JK Rowling says now (about Dumbledore’s sexuality or other issues), so too should we ignore what the DS9 writers have said since.

    Oh and by the way, I’ve known about RuPaul since the 90s and I am not in the community. He reached #2 on the billboard hot dance music chart with Supermodel, recorded in 1992.


  • No, Uhura is clearly more than a sex appeal character. That role would fall to Janice Rand.

    I grew up in the 90s. I understand it perfectly well. We had everything from Elton John to RuPaul. We were a long, long way from the days of Paul Lynde and the wink wink nudge nudge approach.

    You can both be happy for lesbian representation

    That scene is not lesbian representation, it’s two straight women kissing for the benefit of the audience. It’s 100% shot from a straight male gaze perspective.


  • You’re not wrong that they cleared it with the network (they had to clear everything with the network). What you’re missing is that the execution of the scene, what we actually saw on screen, was pure titillation. It was sex and sex sold to a heterosexual (predominantly white) male audience.

    You’d have a much better case if it were 2 men kissing. Jonathan Frakes wanted to do that for TNG! He was shut down completely.