Looks interesting, but sounds like it is not really set up to be the competitive shooter it wants to be and might just be a cash grab. The change from having steam traded skins to non tradable skin packs is a particular red flag.

Nothing good.

Yeah I understand they were all 6th gen. My point was just that it doesn’t really make sense to blame the Dreamcast failure on its timing. Dates also matter:

Late 98 was release in Japan
Late 99 was release worldwide
Early 2000 was PS2 in Japan
Late 2000 was PS2 worldwide
Early 2001 Dreamcast was killed
Late 2001/Early 2002 Gamecube and Xbox

The meme makes it look like the Dreamcast popped up late, but timing was not the reason for it’s demise at all. PlayStation dominating the market, as you mentioned, was probably the biggest one. People knew the PS2 was around the corner and the Dreamcast had barely been out in the EU by the time the PS2 was strutting it’s stuff on the Japanese market.

Yeah, I’m of the opinion the Saturn was the real problem. It was not a bad step forward compared to the Megadrive, but compared to the PS1 it was nowhere near as good.

Dreamcast was a great console. It was really ahead of it’s time with a bunch of things, the VMUs, the internet connectivity, the range of peripherals and keyboard/mouse integration. It was the first console I ever got relatively near release and never regretted it.

This is a really odd way of putting it seeing as the Dreamcast came out before the PS2 and was discontinued before the other 2 even came out.

I’m the ignorant one? Interesting.

Urgh. I have so many things to reply to this I could make it a TED talk.

But let’s just say being a Bernie apologist, while denouncing Flavio is just… wild.

Not really. “Sold off” implies he sold the whole thing, when in fact he still had a 25% holding, was still CEO and was still very much involved with every big decision.

Flavio and Bernie together owned QPR from 2007 to 2011. They were literally business partners at the point Flavio got his ban and they continued to be after it. I dont know why you are adamant that they didn’t have a good relationship.

Anyway, my only real point was that Bernie has done a shit load of dodgy stuff, always will be Mr. F1 and him and Flavio were best buddies. Nothing more.

He stayed on as an employee.

He wasn’t just some Joe Schmoe employee, he was CEO and still calling all the shots until he actually sold off all his interests in 2017. He still owned about a quarter of it up until then.

Flavio was given a lifetime ban for Crashgate.

I was making a joke about the lifetime ban not being very much of a punishment, as he is evidently not lifetime banned.

Decades? He he only sold the thing less than a decade ago and is still involved to some degree.

My point wasn’t to blame him entirely, but to point out the organisation which technically still has him as head is pretty rotten and he always had an extremely close relationship with Flavio.

Bernie was in control when Flavio got his lifetime ban.

What lifetime ban? I don’t see a lifetime ban.

Ah yes, the tickets must be not selling due to the fact the best driver will probably win the race. Let’s ignore that swathes of the country can barely afford to exist.

I mean, his best buddy is the guy who has been in control of F1 for 50 years and is also a known sleeze. The sleeze drips down from the top.

Good point, I was looking at the EFF thinking that was the one on the rise due to the bar graph on the very right. It seems the the colours on the map indicate the current year, but that is not included in the trend bar graph, which is a bit confusing.

I was thinking EFF was probably a far right party on the rise and if other countries are anything to go by M.K is probably an even further right splinter. Although this is South Africa so I would expect quite a bit of right already.

Also, in the table all of the parties have 0 seats so that seems like a pointless column.

It’s a cool map, but having zero knowledge about SA politics, I have no idea what it really represents.

Where are each of these parties on the left-right scale? Was Nelson Mandela (my only SA political reference point) attached to any? Who ruled during apartheid? I need some context!

I didn’t realise Sweden had conquered Munster.

Nice range of colours!

I’m so annoyed at the timing of this, I’m in a place far enough north to get decent views of it in winter (but it is always cloudy). Right now we don’t get full night so at 1am, the peak of darkness, it wasn’t super visible.

That’s fair enough. I don’t really know much about the Roku TV enshittification thing other than snippets I’ve read on here.

I’m just trying to understand why an external device would be any better (for those who still have a working TV that is). Most are made by the same type of companies who make the Smart TVs. The Walmart ONN device for example, mentioned elsewhere in the thread as a great alternative, is literally a Roku device. Forgive me for not getting it.

I’m the one getting aggressive? I think you need to read the whole thread.

So let me get this straight, I should not connect my TV of any brand to the Internet for fear they might do something that Roku did? If Roku are trailblazers, why do you think other companies selling streaming boxes won’t also go down that path?

Why are streaming boxes safe but not Smart TVs?

Why do you think Roku will care that you won’t tolerate them if you are and never were going to be a customer?

Moving the goalposts

Absolutely ridiculous. This whole thread is about reasons to use it over the native TV. I’m honestly interested. I’ve seen no solid reasoning. [Ignoring that this was a reply to your snark that I can get it delivered instead of “going out” to get one when I was actually asking why I should and you knew I was]

It really just seems like you’re intentionally ignoring my answers

You’re the one ignoring me! I asked if you’re talking “like a Chromecast” because I have one of those and if that is the kind of device you’re talking about, I can compare 3 different methods of watching anything on my TV that are better in every way.

I don’t care to go and buy another similar device without a good reason, and I was simply interested in what the landscape looks like right now.

No the conversation was to explain why an external device would be better than a native device. Nobody seems to be able to explain that.

I would honestly be interested in some performance comparisons between say Samsung TV UI and that of various streaming boxes, but all I can find is streaming boxes being compared against one another.