This isn’t about disagreeing. I already said there are zero good companies out there. I don’t actually think Google is fascist, I think they’re a corporarion who relies on Government contracts and will Kowtow to whatever power is in office. You could claim that that is worse, but the bad news is we can’t escape it so you have to think of a better strategy than “punch down on victims of capitalism because I think I’m morally superior”
You’re only trying to justify your own shitty behavior by saying someone else is way worse. If you honestly care about why you are being downvoted then stop hiding behind ‘being right’ and just realize you’re being an asshole. There are better ways to spread awareness and advocate for change.
There are exactly zero good and magnanimous corporations, and yet if you want to live you work with what you have. Someone lost their living because of a double standard and you took the opportunity to “I told you so” as if you knew their individual failure was always going to happen. There is so little help or meaning to this action and yet now you act like you ahould be applauded.
This is, very strickly speaking, dickhead behavior. Be better.
You feel good about youraelf when you do this?
Yeah making all normal people your enemy isn’t healthy. Still recommending a therapist.
Jesus christ you too, get a therapist. You sound like the psychotic techno-doomerist version of the ‘in this moment, I am euphoric’ guy.
Lotta words for trying to say I’m stupid, if you were smart you could have done it in at least two less yammering paragraphs.
Blocking you anyway because I don’t even want to know what you think continuing this convo looks like.
Sorry I feel the need to point out that beautiful things are happening around the world and I tried to describe people living their lives and being happy and you referred to them as ‘problems’
Therapist. Now.
Right because self preservation is for the weak.
Get help.
No because you are literally dying on this hill and the tunnel vision you’ve developed refuses to let you see past this insane narrative you’ve absolutely coccooned yourself in that yours is the only rigteous path and everyone else is an enemy.
Again, you are trying to justify to me that what you’re saying is true and brother, maybe it is, but I’ve lost friends to this selfsame indignant insanity because the hole the dug themselves left them alone and ashamed. This route will kill you if you don’t snap out of it now.
There’s an entire world of 8 billion people out there.
There’s people making art that is going to be enjoyed for decades. People today will be trying to describe what it was like when it was new to teenagers in 2053.
There’s people who will not eat tomorrow because they haven’t been able to find a job yet. Maybe they’ll get lucky and their sister will be in town and will take them out for lunch.
There’s a three year old finding out for the first time how to drag a mouse and draw a line on the screen. In 26 years they’re going to start their first animation job and be happier than tbey’ve ever been.
And right now you think a chat app is going to e d humanity and have Roko’s Basilisk’d yourself out of friendships that have lasted a decade.
Get. Fucking. Help.
If you think this is limited to Discord then I have some real bad news man, our conversation right now is getting scraped, legally or otherwise. See my other reply.
Hoo boy.
Yeah I genuinely thought there was a conversation here but I think the paranoia is a little too real. I genuinly mean this but get help.
Alright if you wanna keep it going.
I would look up what modicum means, my guy.
Who were these friends? Were they people you knew in real life? Were they peolle you knew for years, hell even maybe a handful of months? Were they people you spent time with, had conversations with? Did you share ideas or passions? Who were they?
I’m asking because I genuinely want to know what made them ‘deserve’ this. And no, I don’t presume you’re talking to me because you don’t even know who I am and I have been nothing but polite to you up to this point. You don’t know what I deserve, jnless I’m right about the sanctimonious thing and God only knows how deeply helpless you are if it’s that bad.
Who were they, and what made keeping Discord such a damning act? I just don’t believe that can be it. You can’t seriously leverage the entire system of morals and countenance on a group of people by one point of information here, in all of my deepest sincerity, you’re gonna drive yourself insane, man.
Yeah starting to get the sense that people didn’t follow you to Matrix vecause you’ve gone out of your way to make yourself as insufferably sanctimonious as possible. Can’t blame them.
It sounds like being you is deeply unenviable. Good luck! Being a full on cunt will never convince anyone to be on your side!
Taking all of that at face value is absolutely great, good on ya. I don’t have the skills or the spoons to pretend like I’m going to be upheaving any industry so I just can’t be bothered. I’m a workaday schmuck who had no preparation for the world we’re in and am just trying to figure it out piece by piece.
Although I do feel like at the very least I can advocate for better strategy and arguing with people on the internet is something that at least makes me feel like I can at least maybe change a mind or two for what I think is for the better. I acknowledge though that there’s plenty of judgement to levy at that.
I have a parallel comment thread here that addresses this specifically but I do think that people are putting absurd weights on the moral outcomea of everyday consumerism. I am anti-consummerist, if I can help it I just don’t buy anything. The people that accuse me of being a priveledged funko pop hoarder always confuse me because that’s such a strange charge to levy but that seems to be the baseline, like people can’t help buy but the latest marvel Funkpop. If that’s rrue I’m already way way out of touch with the average, but there’s a hotdog stand I like I have no idea what the dude who owns it voted for and it would be nice to replicate that sort of ideal.
Boycotts work when they’re organized. BDS is a movement with a strong boycott focus. I follow along with that as much as I can and some of it’s easy, like I’ve never owned an XBOX and MS is a monster to the gaming scene I don’t support. Sodasteams are stupid, Disney+ is not interesting to me, easy. I’m struggling to fully de-Google myself but we’re, like, a personal tragedy away from my becoming a feral techno goblin and just abstaining from everything due to discreet madness. None of these decisions are moral, I support the movement and I don’t like 98% of the stuff on the list, easy, just takes the extra step of not choosing it when I have to make a choice, or just delaying whatever it is (if it isn’t an emergency) indefinitely.
I do think that the constant call for boycotts for every headline is a mistake and an ongoing tragedy. It is without exception that every single company and every single product has some kind of dark presence in its history. Can’t fucking buy a box of Cereal without wondering if a priest developed it to keep me from jerking off. The entire world is a clusterfuck of dubious human decisions. Casting aspersions and drawing fucking lines in the sand for every single trespass is an excercise in social atomization and I have come to my personal conclusion that you let them win the more we seperate, so no, I don’t give a shit if a CEO shot the last gazelle in Uganda so now anyone who bought shoes with laces in the last 10 years has the moral respinsibility to divulge their stance on the issue and condemn them daily or face ostricization because they haven’t bought shoes with velcro instead.
You can make your own decisions but no, I don’t think failure to immediately seek alternatives in the time of peak enshittification or not being the personal savior of telecommunications is a moral failing. I am not rushing anybody to it and if they ask for my age verification I’m going to lie like a decent citizen should and encourage others to do the same. I’ve lost friends for less and it’s actually just the stupidest thing in the world.
Sorry that was way more writing than I expected.
I mean how are you interfacing here on Lemmy? You got an iPhone or are you using technology that wasn’t built by one of the 5 companies trying to actibely destroy the world?
I don’t think yoy need to be putting this much moral burden on Discord that it makes you actively shun people who are otherwise probably not monsters. When I say SOLELY I do mean are you making any other calculation here like whether they’ve been a good friend to you or are someone you might be able to cpnvince down the road? People who still go to Starbucks disgust me but if I have a friend who works for Non-Profit orgs or volunteers time and just doesn’t have the desire to focus on where they’re picking up their 2 dollar drip coffee I might sneer at them when they do it but hate doesn’t enter into it.
Hey first and foremost I think you’re a reasonable person and you took a step back in a lot of those points to prove it and I appreciate it.
I want to take a look at the whole throughline here though, someone made a claim that the problem you’re going to run into is large communities that either don’t have the means or the organization to relocate platforms. You posted the comic in response and then immediately came out swinging about how complicit consumption enables terrorism. Does this not seem entirely inappropriate to you? Aunt Tracey’s knitting group got together and had all of their niece’s show them how to use Discord, no one can explain FOSS hosting to them, now Al-Qaeda wins. If I’m being dramatic yes, but only as much as you are in response here.
I stopped paying for Nitro the first time this news came out. I haven’t reupped it. Discord is a miserable experience for me now and is an ugly app without the Nitro options. Doesn’t chanve the fact that the few communities I do belong to are still central to and maintained within the Discord environment. If they move I’ll move but some left infigthing jerk off session isn’t going to be what changes their mind.
My real point is I find anything that leads to further alienation is going to be the wrong choice, and that’s including, for lack of a better term, libjacketing people who don’t have a dog in the race one way or another. We’re all looking for a way out man.
Jesus christ then yeah you really aren’t interested in any of the things you claim. You realize there is NO ethical consumption under capitalism right? That means there is NO right choice. You do what you can with ehat you have available. If you want to only consume the things that produce exactly zero or less net harm in society you’re gonna have to start drinking your own filtered piss. Now because I understand analogy I can say you are basically already doing that.
And leaning on upvotes are a great way to reveal that you were polling from the get go and only assuming what you said might hit. What if you got downvoted because you were in a different community that was getting a different point across? I now just don’t think you actually have a point you’re just agitating because it’s the popular move
This comic is referring to holding positions in political context where there is an active genocide being perpetrated by the US on 2 fronts both in Gaza and at home via ICE detention centers. Comparing it to people who are struggling to find a rellacement for a chat app because of age verification is either a gross misue of your ability to comprehend analogy, or you really see consumption on par with mass violence and terrorism.
Maybe you need to sit this out for a bit.
Sites like Lemmy and Reddit tend toward the negative because we’ve been told that nothing is perfect so if you can’t find something wrong with something you’re being suckered. Honestly, pretty true in most situations, but I say fuck em.
S2 is great, I think aside from the library situation better pound for pound than a Steam Deck. I’m not really into Mario Kart but for a brief moment playing MKW was a really fresh and fun experience.
But yeah. If you aren’t listening to a real professional critic(not a youtube essayist or independent ‘critic’) or a friend you know pretty well, I wouldn’t take the opinions of anyone too seriously(edit: at least if they’re trying to talk you out of something you enjoy). Especially someplace like Lemmy/Reddit.
Edit: Bananza is my current fav 3D platformer and honestly, the Star Fox 64 remake is legitimately amazing!