I heard around the internet that Firefox on Android does not have Site Isolation built-in yet. After a little bit of research, I learned that Site Isolation on Android was added in Firefox Nightly, appearing to have been added sometime in June 2023. What I can’t find, though, is whether this has ever been added to any stable versions of Firefox yet. Does anyone know anything about this?

Update: After further research, it appears that Site Isolation is not currently a feature in stable version of Firefox on Android. I don’t know with certainty if their information is up-to-date, but GrapheneOS (A well-known privacy/security-focused fork of Android) does not recommend using Firefox-based browsers on Android due to it’s (apparently) lack of a Site Isolation feature. A snippet of what Graphene currently have to say about Firefox on Android/GrapheneOS from their usage guide page, is: “Avoid Gecko-based browsers like Firefox as they’re currently much more vulnerable to exploitation and inherently add a huge amount of attack surface.”

On a side-note, they also say about Firefox’s current Site Isolation on desktop being weaker, which I wasn’t aware of. “Even in the desktop version, Firefox’s sandbox is still substantially weaker (especially on Linux) and lacks full support for isolating sites from each other rather than only containing content as a whole.”

  • TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
    11·
    5 months ago

    If it serves to destroy privacy and anonymity at the expense of them getting to control privacy community

    Again, this seems blatantly false. Nothing GrapheneOS does destroys privacy or anonymity, they just prioritize security.

    They do, though. This is like denying sun rises from the east. If their focus is diverting every person possible away from Firefox onto Chrome browsers for Micay’s personal agenda cloaked in wishy washy “security” spaghetti, then it is. If their focus is diverting every privacy seeker towards “GrapheneOS+Pixel” being best, which is dogma by the way, then they are indeed harming privacy community. If their focus is propagandising people into using Google Play Services and Google account in the name of security, and calling F-Droid insecure, then yes, they are intentionally harming privacy and anonymity initiatives.

    And they don’t control “the privacy community,”

    That is because I am in their way. And 2 years ago they tried to get rid of me by creating faux propaganda about me to scare Lemmy admins into getting rid of me.

    You may go check the June 2022 Lemmy RCMP fiasco section here https://old.reddit.com/r/privatelife/comments/13teoo9/

    I archived the Lemmy thread so people can see to what levels GrapheneOS mods/heads can stoop to control the privacy community.

    GrapheneOS is a security-focused OS with strong privacy and anonymity features you can choose to use. Here’s their tagline from their webpage:

    Yes I can also tag the Anom phone or Freedom Phone taglines. Snake oil or scam products often carry these taglines. I want to verify intent and motives of the developer behind the product, because that is what Ken Thompson, co-creator of Unix and C told us in 1980s. Micay is malicious, and so his agenda and motives will carry into what he modifies/creates, or may already have. I can also quote taglines of closed source internet connecting products that claim to respect privacy and security.

    They’re not the only game in town, but they do have the most effective marketing.

    And how do they have effective marketing? Turns out it is well crafted propaganda. Instructions exist for GrapheneOS fans/members/team to carry out this cardinal task for their little church. https://imgur.com/a/fpcsIL2

    Again, more inaccuracies. The FBI thinks COVID-19 likely came from a lab, so “China virus,” while inflammatory, isn’t necessarily too far from the truth.

    If you care so much about the narrative, then the official narrative of global doctors and professionals, who congregated under the COVID-19 Commission, will be of more interest to you. They concluded after 2 years of investigation that USA labs are more likely to be the origin of virus than China labs. Are you going to still toe the FBI and Washington propaganda, or acknowledge something different?

    Why are you making this about you? We were talking about the technical merits

    Firstly, there is no merit to GrapheneOS. This AOSP fork is mostly a rebranding of AOSP features and kdrag0n’s project put on top of AOSP. It is a deep rabbit hole. I did a dissertation of what it is over a year ago. https://i.imgur.com/pQHoq84.jpg

    Secondly, if you missed this https://imgur.com/a/fpcsIL2 , you may want to go through it.

    Thirdly, if you think that project has even the slightest of merit, here is a litmus test. Go question or criticise them on their forums. If you did it on popular places like Telegram, Lemmy, Reddit, they will note you and your account down, as instructed in the propaganda instructions I showed above. Any questioning or criticism of this snake oil product will result in an instant ban, and further questioning may result in internet wide harassment, bullying and witch hunting.

    I honestly don’t care too much about you (no offense intended) or Daniel Micay, I care about technical merits of apps and hardware. I’m reasonably technical, so I think I can do a decent job judging for myself

    I think this is enough for me to see you blindly believe in GrapheneOS propaganda, and are so sincere about it, you will never even try to think otherwise.

    Here is a clip for folks like you who find it tough to consider other possibilities. Do go through it. Might end up liking the movie even. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhr3TzEknzY

    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
      2·
      5 months ago

      And how do they have effective marketing? Turns out it is well crafted propaganda.

      Propaganda can be good or bad depending on your perspective, and a lot of effective marketing could be categorized as propaganda.

      Proton, for example, uses propaganda about freedom and privacy in their marketing, yet they’re actually selling a suite of services for email, data storage, VPN, etc. That’s true for pretty much every privacy-oriented product and service.

      I’m not all that interested in deciding what counts as propaganda, I’m interested in the details of products and how effective the marketing is at getting people interested in those products.

      They concluded after 2 years of investigation that USA labs are more likely to be the origin of virus than China labs.

      They were coooerating together. US labs collaborated with Chinese labs to do research. I don’t think it getting out was intentional by any party, but the right heavily implies it to fit their anti-China narrative and the left downplay it to fit their “China isn’t so bad” narrative. As is the case most of the time, the truth is probably in the middle.

      Go question or criticise them on their forums.

      That is not a litmus test of technical merit, that’s a litmus test of how big their ego is. That’s irrelevant.

      • TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
        11·
        5 months ago

        Propaganda can be good or bad depending on your perspective, and a lot of effective marketing could be categorized as propaganda.

        I’m not all that interested in deciding what counts as propaganda

        Then you may not be fit for preaching GrapheneOS as a good thing either. But you are doing it. You are willfully trying to muddy the clear waters to try and make me thing GrapheneOS is a good project, even though 5 years of my investigation says otherwise.

        As is the case most of the time, the truth is probably in the middle.

        Never has been the case. Centrism is as valid as economic “middle class”, both of which do not exist and are invented pigeonhole boxes. Centrists are just sheep skin wearing future sellouts.

        Go question or criticise them on their forums.

        That is not a litmus test of technical merit, that’s a litmus test of how big their ego is. That’s irrelevant.

        That’s all I needed to know. You are scared of checking their technical merit. You are scared of critical thinking and reality, and want to remain comfortable with delusional worldview shaped by others. I will use a phrase for you, “ambiguity aversion”. It describes your thought process regarding GrapheneOS very well.