A man ahead of his time. source

  • CandleTiger@programming.dev
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    1 month ago

    I, uhhh… you got some sources for this that aren’t the bible? My spouse the religious studies major is here next to me saying that Jesus as real historical figure is extremely highly contested.

    • magus@l.tta.wtf
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      1 month ago

      Note 1 (not citation 1 because things have to be confusing) of Wikipedia’s Historicity of Jesus article lists ten different quotes of various sources (three of them are Bart Ehrman) reiterating that his existence as a normal guy is widely accepted, here’s one of them:

      Today nearly all historians, whether Christians or not, accept that Jesus existed and that the gospels contain plenty of valuable evidence which has to be weighed and assessed critically. There is general agreement that, with the possible exception of Paul, we know far more about Jesus of Nazareth than about any first or second century Jewish or pagan religious teacher.

      ~ Graham Stanton (2002). The Gospels and Jesus (Oxford Bible Series) (2nd ed.). Oxford University Press. p. 145.

      • Rothe@piefed.social
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        1 month ago

        You are not providing a non-biblical primary source though, which is what they asked for. You are just hiding behind an appeal to authority fallacy.

        • cattywampas@lemmy.world
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          1 month ago

          There are not going to be any primary sources of Jesus or any other average person who lived thousands of years ago.

          Do you think it’s more likely that early Christian writers fabricated a totally fictional person rather than mythologizing one that people already knew existed?

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            1 month ago

            There are not going to be any primary sources of Jesus or any other average person who lived thousands of years ago.

            Hence the continued, likely irreconcilable, dispute about whether there was a real Jesus

          • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            1 month ago

            The year 4068:

            "Do you think it’s more likely that this Jack Kirby and Stan Lee fabricated a totally fictional person rather than mythologizing one that people already knew existed?

            Of course Reed Richards existed, and of course he was the leader of the Fantastic Four.

            The stories take place in New York City, which we know was a real place, so therefore the stories must be real.

            See how bad that logic is?

    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      1 month ago

      Josephus is like the only dude who maybe kind of mentioned a guy named Jesus.

      Christians will literally believe anything that comports with their pre held beliefs.