Iirc George R.R. Martin has a similar reaction when people complained about the amount of sex in Game of Thrones. A telegraph article that immediately asked me to login said that he was
always astonished that there’s always so much more controversy about the sex than about the violence," and that this reaction “says something about us that isn’t necessarily a good thing to say”
There’s something to be said about sex scenes being shown. It’s an entire different thing when literal assault scenes are shown and the onus is always on the female victims and their torture. The perpetrators are never shown as the perpetrators they are. Not even mentioning how much assault is used as a driving factor for these female characters’ character development.
Oh that I fully agree with. I believe in this particular case he wasn’t talking about complaints of sexual violence, but just sex in general. I personally have a huge aversion to media depicting sexual assault, and I avoid watching most shows that have it, even if it’s “important for the story” or “it’s really good despite that”.
Since I like anime/manga a lot, I’ll use examples there, but I won’t watch/read Berserk, Goblin Slayer, and DanDanDan, and I have a huge issue with how Rose is treated by the original Full Metal Alchemist anime series. The last especially because it wasn’t by the original author making the choice, by tv execs deciding it made better drama or something. There are lots of other reasons I prefer Brotherhood over the first anime, but the rape of Rose is definitely a significant one.
Weatern media is a bit harder for me to pull out examples I would have maybe watched but avoided because of this, but I guess I probably won’t ever watch A Clockwork Orange and I didn’t feel like watching Jessica Jones for those reasons. I’ve never followed Game of Thrones deeply either, so until looking up this quote I wasn’t quite aware sexual violence played a role( I think I suspected it, but heard more about red wedding etc). I was putting off watching it then everyones reaction to the last season dropped my interest, so I can’t claim sexual violence was the reason I haven’t seen it.
I just think it’s a little strange to hear complaints about hypocrisy like this coming from an author that deliberately uses SA as a plot point - that’s all I was trying to point out.
Oh yea, as a huge soulslike fan, I would really like to know about Berserk so see where Miyazaki pulled a lot of his inspiration from, but I won’t ever watch or read it because of the SA it includes. Just not interested.
Even my favourite anime, Samurai Champloo, uses SA or involuntary sexual advances as plot points, which I didn’t really grasp back when I was around 13ish years old, and was shocked to see when I tried to rewatch the show with my SO. It’s a little perverse to see just how much this is used as a plot device when it’s not unnecessary. Anime is full of it for some reason. It might be a cultural thing because Japanese people are sexually very closed off, from what I’ve heard, so they include such themes in anime and in porn. But yea - not for me, please.
Recently started watching Breaking Bad for the first time, and I was just shocked seeing that scene in the first season where Walt tries to force himself onto Skyler when he tries to hide his shadiness. Fortunately, not a lot happens there and she snaps back immediately, but come on dude - really??? Nothing like this happens again in the following seasons, currently around the end of season 3, so I’m just sitting there wondering what the point was. Was it just shock value? Because it didn’t add anything of value otherwise than to see that Walt is becoming more and more immoral and shady in his business, but there would have been so many other ways to show that apart from SA. I don’t know, man.
I think it’s a touchy subject for me in general, and I won’t ever tolerate seeing it in media. I don’t even know if there’s a case to be had about SA being used as a “sensible” plot line, but even if there were, I wouldn’t be able to see past my absolute aversion and disgust I feel over seeing that.
I think American Horror Story would be a good Western example. I watched each season until the first episode of Hotel. It contained a scene of sexual violence brutal enough for me and my significant other to agree to quit the show. While discussing it we realized ALL seasons contained episodes featuring sexual violence.
Yes! Exactly! And you also have to both know and trust each others limits. If you offer for your partner to spank you, and you’re expecting a light little funishment, but they go full ham, and blister and bruise your ass, you’re both going to have a bad time.
But if you both know and expect similiar ideas, and thats whats engaged in, respecting limits, and respecting consent, and respecting bountries, it can be a lot of fun.
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It stiles me as a bit absurd that we find simulated violence normal but simulated eroticism abnormal
That’s only because you are ignorant of how much of American values are based on puritanical lifestyle and regressive sensibilities
You can show all the heads exploding you want but god forbid some kid sees a boob
Oh I’m unfortunately quite familiar with repressed American values
Christian American values. There are plenty of us who have never and will not ever drink the Kool-Aid.
Iirc George R.R. Martin has a similar reaction when people complained about the amount of sex in Game of Thrones. A telegraph article that immediately asked me to login said that he was
There’s something to be said about sex scenes being shown. It’s an entire different thing when literal assault scenes are shown and the onus is always on the female victims and their torture. The perpetrators are never shown as the perpetrators they are. Not even mentioning how much assault is used as a driving factor for these female characters’ character development.
Oh that I fully agree with. I believe in this particular case he wasn’t talking about complaints of sexual violence, but just sex in general. I personally have a huge aversion to media depicting sexual assault, and I avoid watching most shows that have it, even if it’s “important for the story” or “it’s really good despite that”.
Since I like anime/manga a lot, I’ll use examples there, but I won’t watch/read Berserk, Goblin Slayer, and DanDanDan, and I have a huge issue with how Rose is treated by the original Full Metal Alchemist anime series. The last especially because it wasn’t by the original author making the choice, by tv execs deciding it made better drama or something. There are lots of other reasons I prefer Brotherhood over the first anime, but the rape of Rose is definitely a significant one.
Weatern media is a bit harder for me to pull out examples I would have maybe watched but avoided because of this, but I guess I probably won’t ever watch A Clockwork Orange and I didn’t feel like watching Jessica Jones for those reasons. I’ve never followed Game of Thrones deeply either, so until looking up this quote I wasn’t quite aware sexual violence played a role( I think I suspected it, but heard more about red wedding etc). I was putting off watching it then everyones reaction to the last season dropped my interest, so I can’t claim sexual violence was the reason I haven’t seen it.
I just think it’s a little strange to hear complaints about hypocrisy like this coming from an author that deliberately uses SA as a plot point - that’s all I was trying to point out.
Oh yea, as a huge soulslike fan, I would really like to know about Berserk so see where Miyazaki pulled a lot of his inspiration from, but I won’t ever watch or read it because of the SA it includes. Just not interested.
Even my favourite anime, Samurai Champloo, uses SA or involuntary sexual advances as plot points, which I didn’t really grasp back when I was around 13ish years old, and was shocked to see when I tried to rewatch the show with my SO. It’s a little perverse to see just how much this is used as a plot device when it’s not unnecessary. Anime is full of it for some reason. It might be a cultural thing because Japanese people are sexually very closed off, from what I’ve heard, so they include such themes in anime and in porn. But yea - not for me, please.
Recently started watching Breaking Bad for the first time, and I was just shocked seeing that scene in the first season where Walt tries to force himself onto Skyler when he tries to hide his shadiness. Fortunately, not a lot happens there and she snaps back immediately, but come on dude - really??? Nothing like this happens again in the following seasons, currently around the end of season 3, so I’m just sitting there wondering what the point was. Was it just shock value? Because it didn’t add anything of value otherwise than to see that Walt is becoming more and more immoral and shady in his business, but there would have been so many other ways to show that apart from SA. I don’t know, man.
I think it’s a touchy subject for me in general, and I won’t ever tolerate seeing it in media. I don’t even know if there’s a case to be had about SA being used as a “sensible” plot line, but even if there were, I wouldn’t be able to see past my absolute aversion and disgust I feel over seeing that.
I think American Horror Story would be a good Western example. I watched each season until the first episode of Hotel. It contained a scene of sexual violence brutal enough for me and my significant other to agree to quit the show. While discussing it we realized ALL seasons contained episodes featuring sexual violence.
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It’s because you cannot under normal circumstances engage in a killing spree but most can get laid if they have previously put in effort.
This still assumes both are equal in both motive and morality.
Sex is just better than violence in all respects (except when combined, yuck).
Both combined is perfectly fine when both (or all involved) people specifically want it. It can be a lot of fun as long as youre being safe.
Yes! Exactly! And you also have to both know and trust each others limits. If you offer for your partner to spank you, and you’re expecting a light little funishment, but they go full ham, and blister and bruise your ass, you’re both going to have a bad time.
But if you both know and expect similiar ideas, and thats whats engaged in, respecting limits, and respecting consent, and respecting bountries, it can be a lot of fun.
Do you even realize how much effort would be needed to make a race of sex-crazed anthros IRL? If it was easy, it would have been done already.
Genetic engineering is still in its infancy.
Mate demand with time, and one tends to get supply.
EDIT: In the news, a couple months ago:
https://theconversation.com/return-of-the-dire-wolf-is-an-impressive-feat-of-genetic-engineering-not-a-reversal-of-extinction-254098
I’m not sure that’s it - there are plenty of very successful games that simulate activities requiring less effort than getting laid.
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